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18 November, 2008
17 November, 2008
OK, I'm going to need help here!
I just saw the interview John Stewart did with David Frost tonight on the Daily Show. 88 minutes of the 28 hours of the David Frost/Richard Nixon originally broadcast in May of 1977 have been re-released on DVD.
I looked around for the full transcript online, and I couldn't find it. So I'm looking for it, and I need help finding it. I saw the interview on TV when it first aired. There was a reason I wanted to watch... I wanted to find out if there was anything Nixon knew about secret military programs that would transpire through his words.
At the time I was not aware of what Jackie Gleason had once casually revealed to reporter Bill Knell at the Jolly Roger Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. Gleason told Bill that Nixon arranged for him to see dead aliens in a box at MacDill Air Force Base.
What struck me during the Frost/Nixon interview is the part where Nixon, to justify all his actions, talked about the responsibility of being a US President... and that is the quote I am looking for... where he said: "You can't imagine the responsibility of having an excalibur, and not being able to use it."
Now that could mean anything, the atomic bomb, the force de frappe of the United States military... or it could mean something else entirely... namely a secret weapon, something almost mythic, reverting back to the Bible prophecy that Christ would return with a sword of fire!
Keep in mind that Nixon was in a tug of war with Howard Hughes, who built Area 51 with Van Tassell... an avid UFO buff who put on the Giant Rock UFO gatherings in the 50's. Howard Hughes had hired then environmentalist Barry Commoner to put an end to the nuclear tests in Nevada because it was shaking his Las Vegas penthouse.
Nixon was on the take from Howard Hughes, who gave him large pay-offs to stop nuclear tests. It's in fact what some have rumored what the Watergate break-in was all about, trying to find and destroy evidence that Nixon had received large sums of under the table money from Howard.
Howard Hughes brought Sikorsky from France to Connecticut, wanting to be his first customer of vertical lift off aircraft. Sikorsky and Gurdjieff were friends. Many of Sikorsky's personal writings speak of a spirituality in search of magic. Did they find something? Did they relocate the real future of flight to this then very secret base Area 51?
Was Nixon speaking of a very, very advanced aircraft? Capable of things no other aircraft of the day, and possibly even today, is capable of doing in the sky? I suspect so.
I can't remember the date, and here again I need help researching this. But Fortune magazine in the 70's or 80's released an issue with photographs from a ghost town called Delamar Idaho, where then, maybe still today, layed rusting away littering the landscape of this old abandoned silver mine boom town, the remains of aircraft nuclear jet engine test reactors, which, or so they say, the Air Force never went ahead and developed because of what may happen in case one of them fell back to the ground.
But think about it, it didn't stop them building an armada of nuclear submarines now poisoning the seven seas with a trail of radiation killing the oceans. So why not a fleet of nuclear powered flying ships? What would stop them from building top secret atomic aircraft? Is this what the UFO community, infiltrated and ridiculed, is in fact covering up, that our military is using atomic energy to power aircraft?
And how would this atomic energy be used? To make electricity to power force fields which in turn would lift these machines? Isn't that how magnetic levitation works? The only draw back is the lack of sufficient on board power to make such physics feasible.
We all know the Aurora is real. I personally overheard conversations between ground control and pilot of the Aurora during an emergency test system late night on television. Thousands upon thousands have seen these super silent, low and slow moving giant ships fly at night over Rhode Island and other parts of the world. Possibly large troop transport.
With Obama as our new president, Zbigniew Brzezinski is back in the White House. The founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller. Zbig is also the only man we know from any sitting administration to have actually publicly acknowledged visiting Area 51 in an interview with the Progressive magazine. I'm also looking for that issue.
In it Zbig said that after visiting the base, he now knew why the things he saw there needed to be kept top secret.
I grew up near the SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe) outside Paris, where Robert Dean claims he was shown a report titled Cosmic Top Secret in 1963 (I was ten years old) about alien contact and deals with other intelligences in exchange for certain technologies, which is what others like John Lear, Bob Lazaar and many more have also claimed.
What if Zbig, who was at the Treasury dept. during the Nixon administation in 1973, at the time when he conceived the Trilateral Commission, the agenda tailored after his book Between Two Ages, greatly inspired by Gurdjieff's work on bringing the spirituality of the East with the technology of the West together.
What if the Trilateral Commission was in part created to keep UFO secrets from the general public, by muddling the trail... what if we have built some amazing flying ships, and are in so deep, suppressing certain energy conversion technologies for perceived, and possibly missconceived, national security concerns, that we have as a result, trashed the planet for nothing, and taken civilization to the brink of economical and ecological disaster.
Environmental lawyers have tried in the past to find out what's really going on at Area 51 representing workers there who had contracted fatal diseases from working at the base. But all sitting presidents, one of the first things they are given to sign, is a renewal of the pre-emption from investigation or prosecution of the base for environmental reasons, making Area 51 impervious to governmental and civil oversight... in other words, untouchable.
How will Obama fend in this instance? I wonder... If Carter and Clinton, and Reagan, and all other sitting presidents refused the American people and the world a peek inside the black world, a world it would seem Kuccinich knows only too well, only playing sentinel, how can we ever expect to save the planet from the ruin of oil, coal and nuclear?
This has been one of the motivating factors fueling the Disclosure Project, something I wrote about already a few years ago in a book called Universal Seduction. Until these questions are answered to the best of everyone's satisfaction, as long as doubt keeps lurking under the surface about our true military capability, we won't have the tools of restoration necessary to fix the mess we made burning fossil fuels and enriching uranium into the worse poison on Earth.
I need three things to make my case. So I'm asking all Paranoia magazine readers to help me in my investigation. I need the full transcripts of the Frost/Nixon interview to find the reference to Excalibur, which Tom Bearden interestingly enough used as the title of his opus book on free energy suppression! I need the date and a copy of the Fortune magazine article with photographs of the nuclear jet reactors rusting away in Delamar, Idaho. Or photos of them still there today, in case nobody bothered to clear them out, capitalizing on them as a tourist attraction.
And I need a copy of the Progressive magazine interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski where he described his visit to Area 51.
I think with these three peices of evidence, I can clearly demonstrate that the US government has been hiding giant man-made space ships at secret military bases around the world. It's no big fat secret anymore. The documentary Fastwalkers makes the case clear. If we are to save the planet for future generations, we need to come clean with all our secrets. The consequences of our continued silence could be much worse; atmospheric collapse, global nuclear contamination, poisoning of the seas, massive coastal flooding... Need I go on?
Ask yourself, ask your neighbors, ask anyone you know who has worked for special branches of the military, in black funded energy laboratories, where would we be today if the National Secrecy Act of 1947 had not carted off all the best energy conversion technologies to secret places to either be misused, or forgotten.
If there is to be a true revolution in this country, not just cosmetic for the media and to soothe populist fears, we need to deal with the suppression of energy technologies for military applications... and investigate the role the nuclear energy industry has played in assisting in the culture of suppression our government entrusted to them with back in 1947 when the Office of Strategic Studies became the Central Intelligence Agency after the influx of German intelligence through Project Paperclip.
We are living in a magical world of global communications with computers, and gadgets, and ipods... exiting President Bush said so himself today at the G20 conference... we live in a Star Trek world of technological marvels... and yet, we're still missing the prime ingredient, the Enterprise. We're still producing electricity to power all these machines by rubbing magnets against each other, at great expense to the biosphere, at the cost of the loss of millions of intelligent species, possibly some we haven't even been in contact with.
For years small press magazines starting with Factsheet 5, Paranoia, Infinite Energy, Electrifying Times, have investigated all these rumors and urban legend... Chris Carter got the idea to break each chapter of the Whole Earth Review's Fringes of Reason into what became the first season of the X-Files, sending shivers down our spine because it cut so close to the bone of our personal experience with this other world us "paranoids" live under.
We have a battle song, the old Black Sabbath tune... A rallying cry, like bag pipes in the morning fog. We have an amazing opportunity with a black president in the White House to re-align the balance of power. It will be a juggling act... millions have lost their jobs in the last few months, while Van Jones talks of a green economy for dissafected youth in the inner cities. We're not going to rebuilt our civilization with just wind and solar. Oil, coal and nuclear is paramount to societal suicide. So what's left?
What's left is waiting behind the gates at Area 51. What Howard Hughes, Sikorsky, Gurdjieff, Nikola Tesla and others put there long ago, for a time when humanity had matured enough to take on the responsibility of that technology. Childhood Ends... Enter the First Earth Battalion!
I looked around for the full transcript online, and I couldn't find it. So I'm looking for it, and I need help finding it. I saw the interview on TV when it first aired. There was a reason I wanted to watch... I wanted to find out if there was anything Nixon knew about secret military programs that would transpire through his words.
At the time I was not aware of what Jackie Gleason had once casually revealed to reporter Bill Knell at the Jolly Roger Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. Gleason told Bill that Nixon arranged for him to see dead aliens in a box at MacDill Air Force Base.
What struck me during the Frost/Nixon interview is the part where Nixon, to justify all his actions, talked about the responsibility of being a US President... and that is the quote I am looking for... where he said: "You can't imagine the responsibility of having an excalibur, and not being able to use it."
Now that could mean anything, the atomic bomb, the force de frappe of the United States military... or it could mean something else entirely... namely a secret weapon, something almost mythic, reverting back to the Bible prophecy that Christ would return with a sword of fire!
Keep in mind that Nixon was in a tug of war with Howard Hughes, who built Area 51 with Van Tassell... an avid UFO buff who put on the Giant Rock UFO gatherings in the 50's. Howard Hughes had hired then environmentalist Barry Commoner to put an end to the nuclear tests in Nevada because it was shaking his Las Vegas penthouse.
Nixon was on the take from Howard Hughes, who gave him large pay-offs to stop nuclear tests. It's in fact what some have rumored what the Watergate break-in was all about, trying to find and destroy evidence that Nixon had received large sums of under the table money from Howard.
Howard Hughes brought Sikorsky from France to Connecticut, wanting to be his first customer of vertical lift off aircraft. Sikorsky and Gurdjieff were friends. Many of Sikorsky's personal writings speak of a spirituality in search of magic. Did they find something? Did they relocate the real future of flight to this then very secret base Area 51?
Was Nixon speaking of a very, very advanced aircraft? Capable of things no other aircraft of the day, and possibly even today, is capable of doing in the sky? I suspect so.
I can't remember the date, and here again I need help researching this. But Fortune magazine in the 70's or 80's released an issue with photographs from a ghost town called Delamar Idaho, where then, maybe still today, layed rusting away littering the landscape of this old abandoned silver mine boom town, the remains of aircraft nuclear jet engine test reactors, which, or so they say, the Air Force never went ahead and developed because of what may happen in case one of them fell back to the ground.
But think about it, it didn't stop them building an armada of nuclear submarines now poisoning the seven seas with a trail of radiation killing the oceans. So why not a fleet of nuclear powered flying ships? What would stop them from building top secret atomic aircraft? Is this what the UFO community, infiltrated and ridiculed, is in fact covering up, that our military is using atomic energy to power aircraft?
And how would this atomic energy be used? To make electricity to power force fields which in turn would lift these machines? Isn't that how magnetic levitation works? The only draw back is the lack of sufficient on board power to make such physics feasible.
We all know the Aurora is real. I personally overheard conversations between ground control and pilot of the Aurora during an emergency test system late night on television. Thousands upon thousands have seen these super silent, low and slow moving giant ships fly at night over Rhode Island and other parts of the world. Possibly large troop transport.
With Obama as our new president, Zbigniew Brzezinski is back in the White House. The founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller. Zbig is also the only man we know from any sitting administration to have actually publicly acknowledged visiting Area 51 in an interview with the Progressive magazine. I'm also looking for that issue.
In it Zbig said that after visiting the base, he now knew why the things he saw there needed to be kept top secret.
I grew up near the SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe) outside Paris, where Robert Dean claims he was shown a report titled Cosmic Top Secret in 1963 (I was ten years old) about alien contact and deals with other intelligences in exchange for certain technologies, which is what others like John Lear, Bob Lazaar and many more have also claimed.
What if Zbig, who was at the Treasury dept. during the Nixon administation in 1973, at the time when he conceived the Trilateral Commission, the agenda tailored after his book Between Two Ages, greatly inspired by Gurdjieff's work on bringing the spirituality of the East with the technology of the West together.
What if the Trilateral Commission was in part created to keep UFO secrets from the general public, by muddling the trail... what if we have built some amazing flying ships, and are in so deep, suppressing certain energy conversion technologies for perceived, and possibly missconceived, national security concerns, that we have as a result, trashed the planet for nothing, and taken civilization to the brink of economical and ecological disaster.
Environmental lawyers have tried in the past to find out what's really going on at Area 51 representing workers there who had contracted fatal diseases from working at the base. But all sitting presidents, one of the first things they are given to sign, is a renewal of the pre-emption from investigation or prosecution of the base for environmental reasons, making Area 51 impervious to governmental and civil oversight... in other words, untouchable.
How will Obama fend in this instance? I wonder... If Carter and Clinton, and Reagan, and all other sitting presidents refused the American people and the world a peek inside the black world, a world it would seem Kuccinich knows only too well, only playing sentinel, how can we ever expect to save the planet from the ruin of oil, coal and nuclear?
This has been one of the motivating factors fueling the Disclosure Project, something I wrote about already a few years ago in a book called Universal Seduction. Until these questions are answered to the best of everyone's satisfaction, as long as doubt keeps lurking under the surface about our true military capability, we won't have the tools of restoration necessary to fix the mess we made burning fossil fuels and enriching uranium into the worse poison on Earth.
I need three things to make my case. So I'm asking all Paranoia magazine readers to help me in my investigation. I need the full transcripts of the Frost/Nixon interview to find the reference to Excalibur, which Tom Bearden interestingly enough used as the title of his opus book on free energy suppression! I need the date and a copy of the Fortune magazine article with photographs of the nuclear jet reactors rusting away in Delamar, Idaho. Or photos of them still there today, in case nobody bothered to clear them out, capitalizing on them as a tourist attraction.
And I need a copy of the Progressive magazine interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski where he described his visit to Area 51.
I think with these three peices of evidence, I can clearly demonstrate that the US government has been hiding giant man-made space ships at secret military bases around the world. It's no big fat secret anymore. The documentary Fastwalkers makes the case clear. If we are to save the planet for future generations, we need to come clean with all our secrets. The consequences of our continued silence could be much worse; atmospheric collapse, global nuclear contamination, poisoning of the seas, massive coastal flooding... Need I go on?
Ask yourself, ask your neighbors, ask anyone you know who has worked for special branches of the military, in black funded energy laboratories, where would we be today if the National Secrecy Act of 1947 had not carted off all the best energy conversion technologies to secret places to either be misused, or forgotten.
If there is to be a true revolution in this country, not just cosmetic for the media and to soothe populist fears, we need to deal with the suppression of energy technologies for military applications... and investigate the role the nuclear energy industry has played in assisting in the culture of suppression our government entrusted to them with back in 1947 when the Office of Strategic Studies became the Central Intelligence Agency after the influx of German intelligence through Project Paperclip.
We are living in a magical world of global communications with computers, and gadgets, and ipods... exiting President Bush said so himself today at the G20 conference... we live in a Star Trek world of technological marvels... and yet, we're still missing the prime ingredient, the Enterprise. We're still producing electricity to power all these machines by rubbing magnets against each other, at great expense to the biosphere, at the cost of the loss of millions of intelligent species, possibly some we haven't even been in contact with.
For years small press magazines starting with Factsheet 5, Paranoia, Infinite Energy, Electrifying Times, have investigated all these rumors and urban legend... Chris Carter got the idea to break each chapter of the Whole Earth Review's Fringes of Reason into what became the first season of the X-Files, sending shivers down our spine because it cut so close to the bone of our personal experience with this other world us "paranoids" live under.
We have a battle song, the old Black Sabbath tune... A rallying cry, like bag pipes in the morning fog. We have an amazing opportunity with a black president in the White House to re-align the balance of power. It will be a juggling act... millions have lost their jobs in the last few months, while Van Jones talks of a green economy for dissafected youth in the inner cities. We're not going to rebuilt our civilization with just wind and solar. Oil, coal and nuclear is paramount to societal suicide. So what's left?
What's left is waiting behind the gates at Area 51. What Howard Hughes, Sikorsky, Gurdjieff, Nikola Tesla and others put there long ago, for a time when humanity had matured enough to take on the responsibility of that technology. Childhood Ends... Enter the First Earth Battalion!
15 November, 2008
THE CODE KILLERS by Ace Hoffman
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THE CODE KILLERS: An Expose by Ace Hoffman (free download!)
November 10th, 2008
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NYTimes Style Section Debunks Paranoids!
November 13, 2008
NY Times
Sharing Their Demons on the Web
By SARAH KERSHAW
FOR years they lived in solitary terror of the light beams that caused searing headaches, the technology that took control of their minds and bodies. They feared the stalkers, people whose voices shouted from the walls or screamed in their heads, “We found you” and “We want you dead.”
When people who believe such things reported them to the police, doctors or family, they said they were often told they were crazy. Sometimes they were medicated or locked in hospital wards, or fired from jobs and isolated from the outside world.
But when they found one another on the Internet, everything changed. So many others were having the same experiences.
Type “mind control” or “gang stalking” into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details — red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them.
Identified by some psychologists and psychiatrists as part of an “extreme community” on the Internet that appears to encourage delusional thinking, a growing number of such Web sites are filled with stories from people who say they are victims of mind control and stalking by gangs of government agents. The sites are drawing the concern of mental health professionals and the interest of researchers in psychology and psychiatry.
Although many Internet groups that offer peer support are considered helpful to the mentally ill, some experts say Web sites that amplify reports of mind control and group stalking represent a dark side of social networking. They may reinforce the troubled thinking of the mentally ill and impede treatment.
Dr. Ralph Hoffman, a psychiatry professor at Yale who studies delusions, said a growing number of his research subjects have told him of visiting mind-control sites, and finding in them confirmation of their own experiences.
“The views of these belief systems are like a shark that has to be constantly fed,” Dr. Hoffman said. “If you don’t feed the delusion, sooner or later it will die out or diminish on its own accord. The key thing is that it needs to be repetitively reinforced.”
That is what the Web sites do, he said. Similar concerns have arisen about a proliferation of sites that describe how to commit suicide, or others that promote anorexia and bulimia, providing detailed instructions on restricting food and photographs of skeletal women meant to be “thinspiration.”
For people who regularly visit and write on message boards on the mind-control sites, the idea that others would describe the sites as promoting delusional and psychotic thinking is simply evidence of a cover-up of the truth.
“It was a big relief to find the community,” said Derrick Robinson, 55, a janitor in Cincinnati and president of Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance, a group that claims several hundred regular users of its Web site. “I felt that maybe there were others, but I wasn’t real sure until I did find this community,” Mr. Robinson said.
There is no concise survey of mind-control sites or others describing gang stalking — whose users believe that groups of people are following and controlling them, as part of a test of neurological or other kinds of weapons likely conducted by the government — on the Net. But they are easy to find. Some have hundreds of postings, along with links to dozers of similar sties.
One, Gangstalkingworld.com, welcomes visitors with this description: “Gang Stalking is a systemic form of control, which seeks to destroy every aspect of a Targeted Individual’s life. The target is followed around and placed under surveillance by Civilian Spies/Snitches 24/7.”
The site lists more than 71,000 visitors, and it has links to several other sites, including Harrassment101.com, which has 965 posts.
One poster to Gang Stalking World wrote in August: “It’s insane that I daily have to come home and try to figure out if my Web sites will still be up or shut down. This week they have really been playing with me, and so it was my time to play back.” The post directs readers to other gang-stalking sites should their favorite sites be shut down.
Mr. Robinson said in an interview that that he has been tortured and abused by gang stalkers and by “neurological weaponry” since leaving the Navy in 1982. “To read the stories and the similarity of the harassment techniques that were going on, to hear about the vandalism, appliance tampering and all the other things were designed to drive a person crazy, who do you go to with this?” he said. “People will say you are delusional.”
For Mr. Robinson and several other Web site users interviewed for this article — all of whom insisted they were not delusional, including one man who said he had been hospitalized in psychiatric wards — the sites provide the powerful, unfamiliar experience of being understood by others.
“By and large, most people are sane and coherent and can relate exactly what’s happening to them,” Mr. Robinson said. “They can say the things that would otherwise get them labeled as delusional.”
His group of self-described “targeted individuals” met offline in Los Angeles last month for their inaugural conference, he said, where they attended a meeting to share stories, including the humiliating experiences of being told they are insane.
Mental health experts who have closely looked at the Web sites are careful to say that there is no way to prove if someone posting on, say, Mr. Robinson’s site, Freedomfchs.com, which says its mission is to seek justice for those singled out by “organized stalking and electromagnetic torture,” is suffering from mental illness.
Vaughan Bell, a British psychologist who has researched the effect of the Internet on mental illness, first began tracking sites with reports of mind control in 2004. In 2006 he published a study concluding that there was an extensive Internet community around such beliefs, and he called 10 sites he studied “likely psychotic sites.”
The extent of the community, Dr. Bell said, poses a paradox to the traditional way delusion is defined under the diagnostic guidelines of the American Psychiatric Association, which says that if a belief is held by a person’s “culture or subculture,” it is not a delusion. The exception accounts for rituals of religious faith, for example.
Dr. Bell, whose study was published in the journal Psychopathology, said that it does not suggest all people participating in mind-control sites are delusional, and that a firm diagnosis of psychosis could only be done in person.
For people who say they are the target of mind control or gang stalking, there may be enough evidence in the scientific literature to fan their beliefs. Many sites point to MK-ULTRA, the code name for a covert C.I.A. mind-control and chemical interrogation program begun in the 1950s.
Recently the sites have linked to an article published in September in Time magazine, “The Army’s Totally Serious Mind-Control Project,” which described a $4 million contract given to the Army to develop “thought helmets” that would allow troops to communicate through brain waves on the battlefield.
And the users of some sites have found the support of Jim Guest, a Republican state representative in Missouri, who wrote last year to his fellow legislators calling for an investigation into the claims of those who say they are being tortured by mind control.
“I’ve had enough calls, some from credible people — professors — being targeted by nonlethal weapons,” Mr. Guest said in a telephone interview, adding that nothing came of his request for a legislative investigation. “They become psychologically affected by it. They have trouble sleeping at night.”
He added: “I believe there are people who have been targeted by this. With this equipment, you have to test it on somebody to see if it works.”
Dr. Bell and some other mental health professionals say that even if the users of such sites are psychotic, forging an online connection to others and being told — perhaps for the first time — “you are not crazy” could actually have a positive effect on their illnesses.
“We know, for example, that things like social support, all of these positive social aspects are very good for people’s mental illness,” Dr. Bell said. “I wouldn’t say it’s entirely and completely positive, but it can be positive.”
Some research has shown that when people with delusions undergo group cognitive therapy, the group process can be helpful in their treatment.
But the Web sites are not moderated by professionals, and many postings discuss the failure of medication and say that mental health professionals are part of the conspiracy against them.
“These people lead quietly desperate lives,” said Dr. Jeffrey A. Lieberman, chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Columbia University. “And if they are reinforcing each other and pulling people toward something, if they are using the Internet and getting reinforcement, that’s good.”
The mind-control sites remind some experts of the accounts of those claiming to have been abducted by aliens in the 1970s and ’80s. One person’s story begat another until many insisted they had had virtually identical experiences of being taken onto space ships by silvery sloe-eyed creatures.
Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely “sexually stimulated” by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said.
Psychiatrists and researchers say it is too soon to say whether communication on the Internet among people who may be psychotic will negatively effect their illnesses.” This is a very complex little corner,” said Dr. Ken Duckworth, the medical director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness, an advocacy group. “Some people may find it’s healing, but these are really hard questions. The Internet isn’t a cause of mental illness, it’s a complicating new variable.”
More:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/770802nytimesmkultramindcontrol
http://www.wanttoknow.info/650517nytimes
NY Times
Sharing Their Demons on the Web
By SARAH KERSHAW
FOR years they lived in solitary terror of the light beams that caused searing headaches, the technology that took control of their minds and bodies. They feared the stalkers, people whose voices shouted from the walls or screamed in their heads, “We found you” and “We want you dead.”
When people who believe such things reported them to the police, doctors or family, they said they were often told they were crazy. Sometimes they were medicated or locked in hospital wards, or fired from jobs and isolated from the outside world.
But when they found one another on the Internet, everything changed. So many others were having the same experiences.
Type “mind control” or “gang stalking” into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details — red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them.
Identified by some psychologists and psychiatrists as part of an “extreme community” on the Internet that appears to encourage delusional thinking, a growing number of such Web sites are filled with stories from people who say they are victims of mind control and stalking by gangs of government agents. The sites are drawing the concern of mental health professionals and the interest of researchers in psychology and psychiatry.
Although many Internet groups that offer peer support are considered helpful to the mentally ill, some experts say Web sites that amplify reports of mind control and group stalking represent a dark side of social networking. They may reinforce the troubled thinking of the mentally ill and impede treatment.
Dr. Ralph Hoffman, a psychiatry professor at Yale who studies delusions, said a growing number of his research subjects have told him of visiting mind-control sites, and finding in them confirmation of their own experiences.
“The views of these belief systems are like a shark that has to be constantly fed,” Dr. Hoffman said. “If you don’t feed the delusion, sooner or later it will die out or diminish on its own accord. The key thing is that it needs to be repetitively reinforced.”
That is what the Web sites do, he said. Similar concerns have arisen about a proliferation of sites that describe how to commit suicide, or others that promote anorexia and bulimia, providing detailed instructions on restricting food and photographs of skeletal women meant to be “thinspiration.”
For people who regularly visit and write on message boards on the mind-control sites, the idea that others would describe the sites as promoting delusional and psychotic thinking is simply evidence of a cover-up of the truth.
“It was a big relief to find the community,” said Derrick Robinson, 55, a janitor in Cincinnati and president of Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance, a group that claims several hundred regular users of its Web site. “I felt that maybe there were others, but I wasn’t real sure until I did find this community,” Mr. Robinson said.
There is no concise survey of mind-control sites or others describing gang stalking — whose users believe that groups of people are following and controlling them, as part of a test of neurological or other kinds of weapons likely conducted by the government — on the Net. But they are easy to find. Some have hundreds of postings, along with links to dozers of similar sties.
One, Gangstalkingworld.com, welcomes visitors with this description: “Gang Stalking is a systemic form of control, which seeks to destroy every aspect of a Targeted Individual’s life. The target is followed around and placed under surveillance by Civilian Spies/Snitches 24/7.”
The site lists more than 71,000 visitors, and it has links to several other sites, including Harrassment101.com, which has 965 posts.
One poster to Gang Stalking World wrote in August: “It’s insane that I daily have to come home and try to figure out if my Web sites will still be up or shut down. This week they have really been playing with me, and so it was my time to play back.” The post directs readers to other gang-stalking sites should their favorite sites be shut down.
Mr. Robinson said in an interview that that he has been tortured and abused by gang stalkers and by “neurological weaponry” since leaving the Navy in 1982. “To read the stories and the similarity of the harassment techniques that were going on, to hear about the vandalism, appliance tampering and all the other things were designed to drive a person crazy, who do you go to with this?” he said. “People will say you are delusional.”
For Mr. Robinson and several other Web site users interviewed for this article — all of whom insisted they were not delusional, including one man who said he had been hospitalized in psychiatric wards — the sites provide the powerful, unfamiliar experience of being understood by others.
“By and large, most people are sane and coherent and can relate exactly what’s happening to them,” Mr. Robinson said. “They can say the things that would otherwise get them labeled as delusional.”
His group of self-described “targeted individuals” met offline in Los Angeles last month for their inaugural conference, he said, where they attended a meeting to share stories, including the humiliating experiences of being told they are insane.
Mental health experts who have closely looked at the Web sites are careful to say that there is no way to prove if someone posting on, say, Mr. Robinson’s site, Freedomfchs.com, which says its mission is to seek justice for those singled out by “organized stalking and electromagnetic torture,” is suffering from mental illness.
Vaughan Bell, a British psychologist who has researched the effect of the Internet on mental illness, first began tracking sites with reports of mind control in 2004. In 2006 he published a study concluding that there was an extensive Internet community around such beliefs, and he called 10 sites he studied “likely psychotic sites.”
The extent of the community, Dr. Bell said, poses a paradox to the traditional way delusion is defined under the diagnostic guidelines of the American Psychiatric Association, which says that if a belief is held by a person’s “culture or subculture,” it is not a delusion. The exception accounts for rituals of religious faith, for example.
Dr. Bell, whose study was published in the journal Psychopathology, said that it does not suggest all people participating in mind-control sites are delusional, and that a firm diagnosis of psychosis could only be done in person.
For people who say they are the target of mind control or gang stalking, there may be enough evidence in the scientific literature to fan their beliefs. Many sites point to MK-ULTRA, the code name for a covert C.I.A. mind-control and chemical interrogation program begun in the 1950s.
Recently the sites have linked to an article published in September in Time magazine, “The Army’s Totally Serious Mind-Control Project,” which described a $4 million contract given to the Army to develop “thought helmets” that would allow troops to communicate through brain waves on the battlefield.
And the users of some sites have found the support of Jim Guest, a Republican state representative in Missouri, who wrote last year to his fellow legislators calling for an investigation into the claims of those who say they are being tortured by mind control.
“I’ve had enough calls, some from credible people — professors — being targeted by nonlethal weapons,” Mr. Guest said in a telephone interview, adding that nothing came of his request for a legislative investigation. “They become psychologically affected by it. They have trouble sleeping at night.”
He added: “I believe there are people who have been targeted by this. With this equipment, you have to test it on somebody to see if it works.”
Dr. Bell and some other mental health professionals say that even if the users of such sites are psychotic, forging an online connection to others and being told — perhaps for the first time — “you are not crazy” could actually have a positive effect on their illnesses.
“We know, for example, that things like social support, all of these positive social aspects are very good for people’s mental illness,” Dr. Bell said. “I wouldn’t say it’s entirely and completely positive, but it can be positive.”
Some research has shown that when people with delusions undergo group cognitive therapy, the group process can be helpful in their treatment.
But the Web sites are not moderated by professionals, and many postings discuss the failure of medication and say that mental health professionals are part of the conspiracy against them.
“These people lead quietly desperate lives,” said Dr. Jeffrey A. Lieberman, chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Columbia University. “And if they are reinforcing each other and pulling people toward something, if they are using the Internet and getting reinforcement, that’s good.”
The mind-control sites remind some experts of the accounts of those claiming to have been abducted by aliens in the 1970s and ’80s. One person’s story begat another until many insisted they had had virtually identical experiences of being taken onto space ships by silvery sloe-eyed creatures.
Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely “sexually stimulated” by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said.
Psychiatrists and researchers say it is too soon to say whether communication on the Internet among people who may be psychotic will negatively effect their illnesses.” This is a very complex little corner,” said Dr. Ken Duckworth, the medical director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness, an advocacy group. “Some people may find it’s healing, but these are really hard questions. The Internet isn’t a cause of mental illness, it’s a complicating new variable.”
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